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Stanley Bundy's avatar

"That the same people took this to a situation which had none of the active malice of the ‘puppies’ is a bigger problem of because it comes from “inside the house” so to speak. "

There's probably the big problem. They think that there was "active malice" with the Puppies. (the Rabid Puppies, maybe, but that was far later).

That level of delusion is impressive. The "Active Malice" was within the Hugo structure AGAINST the Sad Puppies, and the later active malice of the Rabid Puppies was in RESPONSE to the Hugo committee's active malice.

The Sad Puppies didn't orchestrate hit pieces on their opposition to falsely label them as bigots. (That was the people behind the Hugos status quo)

The Sad Puppies didn't get those hit pieces so widely reused by other outlets that even when the original articles were withdrawn when the SP demonstrated the falsehoods, not of the dozens of places that copied the articles verbatim removed them, admitted they were false, or even made the corrections/rebuttals that the original hosts did. (That was the people behind the Hugos status quo)

The Sad Puppies didn't bully minority & LGBTQ writers, who had LEGITIMATE high quality work as reason for being nominated, into withdrawing their nominations, just because the "wrong people" like their works. (That was the people behind the Hugos status quo, who were supposedly their allies).

The Sad Puppies didn't have roughly 1000-2000 ballots ALL MARKED THE SAME down the line suddenly arrive at the voting tabulation in the last week before the voting closed, all designed to ensure that the BY THE RULES nominations (which were mostly by the two puppy groups) got "No Award" for the category. Or have an accounting firm so dense as to not recognize blatant voter fraud.

Teresa Peschel; Peschel Press's avatar

I was a proud member of RWA, joining in 2017 when I began writing romance, and attended all my local chapter meetings. RWA was so supportive of newbie writers. They had a strong educational component and wanted to foster careers. Romancelandia is vast!

Then, and it seemed very fast, the crazies who'd always been with us, mutated into something stronger. It culminated in accusations of racism and bigotry, the forums descended into flame wars, and at the end of 2019, RWA imploded with its own board of directors refusing to follow their own rules.

And they kept shooting themselves all over in their circular firing squad.

You can find plenty about RWA imploding but the most even-handed, detailed essay I know about is at Quillette. It's paywalled now but my God! What the organization did to itself while chasing purity tests.

Look for https://quillette.com/2020/03/31/romance-race-and-retribution/

None of what SFWA is doing is new.

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